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  • Voyetra Sequencer & Hardware PC DOS midi Setup

    So, i speak in this post about moving to a Pentium processor for Voyetra Sequencer Plus http://www.mrspring.info/vbulletin/s...ull=1#post3731 LONG TIME ago huh? like 10 years?! Well, i'm still on the same PC, a DELL GX-1, taken from a skip outside a bank. I have 2 others hidden away for a rainy day, a desktop low-profile, and a full tower, both branded GX-1. I also now have some other Voyetra Interfaces in the stash - 2 V22s, and the box from a V24s, and as of last month, a VP-11, which is the Single IN/OUT Parallel (printer) port interface.

    Ages ago i picked up a lovely IBM Thinkpad T42, a very well made mini laptop, USB 1.0, no Floppy, but DVD Rom, and a celeron. It's been fine on XP for a log recorder, but now i have the VP11, it's time to make it into a portable Voyetra machine.

    First, i used this .iso to nuke the harddrive: http://vetusware.com/download/DOS%20...06.22/?id=9573 - it's a bootable CD-rom for installing Dos 6.22. Boot from it, F3 to quit out, then use FDISK - remove all the partitions, Non-Dos and so on, then create a nice small one, let's say 850MB, make it active and reboot again into the installer from the CD. IF You create FAT16 partition(s) with Linux or a Win98se boot .iso, you will loop forever. You MUST clean off all partitions with the FDISK that you can get to in ramdisk from the .iso above.

    OK, install 6.22, then run MEMMAKER to tidy up, then get a DVD .iso of a linux distro - my one of chocie is MAGEIA - i used 2 revs back, #3 http://www.mageia.org/en/3/ and burned off a i586 (not 64 bit) dvd, booted it, installed it in some of the empty space on the harddrive, and let it settle. from there i can use the USB, LAN WiFi blah blah on the laptop, and move over all the files i needed to set up Voyetra. They were my 4.11 installation and driver intaller, which i have on Floppy still, and a copy of DOOM 2 which i have a big-box copy of since day zero

    I powered the VP11 from a cheapo switchmode 12v PSU. Yes, i know the stock PSU is 9v, but it's unregulated, and can show 11-15v, so the very steady Switcher at 12.3v was good enough. Powering up the VP11 makes the LED slowly flash. When it connects to the software, it speeds up.

    Then a boot to dos again, and run the VINSTALL, set her up for the VP11, and run the SEQ.bat in the \voyetra folder, and wait. I mean WAIT. much longer then on the GX-1 - like 3 minutes you are sitting there like a sploom hoping it will boot, and THEN IT DOES The thing not only works, but it's BLISTERING fast. even faster then the GX-1. I can transform 256bars of 16 channels using COMPRESS/EXPAND to 1/16th of it's time, with 16 random notes in each bar in about .3 of a second. Holy sh!t. OK, this is with SMARTDRV enabled to help with the overlay swapping, but still, the actual grunt is fuc*ing serious.

    SO, it appears to work, and work well. This now means we can take Voyetra on the road properly, for the first time ever. Nice timing, as 2017 will be the 25th anniversary of the RED RECORDS/SOUND CROWD era. heh.

    NOW, while i was digging out floppies, i found an interesting disk. the VAPI installer was part of the VINSTALL in Seq+ 4.11, but i found a STAND ALONE Vapi disk - version 1.53, which is good for all voyetra interfaces, including with the WINDOWS of the day. I'll quote the README here below, and attach the .zip of the package. Why am i doing this, when places like www.oldschooldaw.com can hook you up with disks and drivers? Because i have never seen a standalone rev of drivers this advanced for voyetra hardware anywhere else. Fairly sure this was the disk shipped with one of the very last V22 we bought - we had 4 of them in the 90's - so enjoy that, and roll-on getting your Voyetra Sequencer to work with IRL Voyetra hardware.

    Code:
    README file for Voyetra V-Series driver disk:
    
    ******** Notes for DOS users ********
    
    1) You can now use the additional MIDI output ports on your 
    V-22 or V-24s as a secondary MIDI interface along with any 
    other VAPI-supported MIDI interface. For example, you could 
    use 2 V-24s cards to get 8 outs, or a V-22 with a Sound 
    Blaster to get three outs.  To get this to work with 
    Sequencer Plus, you must obtain SP version 4.11 or higher, 
    which will have an install explicitly for this. 
    
    2) If you are using the VP-11 on a Tandy 1800 HD, you must 
    edit your DRIVER.BAT file to pass the /tn option to 
    VAPIVP11.  Load DRIVER.BAT into your editor, and change the 
    line that says something like "vapivp11 /lpt:n %1 %2"  to 
    "vapivp11 /tn /lpt:n %1 %2".
    
    For any laptop where VAPIVP11 loads but you have trouble 
    getting MIDI input, this /tn option may be worth trying.  So 
    far, the Tandy 1800 is the only computer we have found that 
    requires this.
    
    3) DOSDRIV.EXE.  Run this file if you wish to install the DOS 
    drivers (vapi).  This should only be run if your DOS
    software didn't come with a driver for your MIDI interface, or
    if you are having problems with the driver that came with your
    software and want to try a more recent one.
    
    In most cases your DOS software will have come with the correct
    driver.  Your interface manual may have more on this subject.
    
    ******** Notes for Windows users ********
    
    1) Some of the Setup dialog boxes have been changed 
    slightly, so they won't match the illustrations in the 
    documentation exactly.  For the V-22 and V-24s, the main 
    Setup box has a new field added: "Rx Buffer". The VP-11's 
    Custom Config dialog box has a new field: "Persist".  These 
    will be explained below.
    
    2) "Rx Buffer" setting for the V-22 and V-24s.  This edit 
    control lets you adjust the size of the MIDI Input buffer 
    for best performance.  Previously this could only be changed 
    by editing the SYSTEM.INI file. If you are having difficulty 
    uploading large system exclusive blocks, you may want to try 
    increasing this value, up to 30K or so.
    
    3) "Persist" setting for the VP-11.  If you are having 
    trouble uploading sysex information in 386 Enhanced mode, 
    try increasing this value to 200 or so. 
    
    If you are running on a fast computer in Standard mode, you 
    can get slightly better performance by DECREASING the 
    Persist setting a smaller number (i.e.: 1).
    
    4) For the V-24s and V-22, you may now use more than one 
    interface in your computer.  Here is how to install Windows 
    drivers for two V-24s cards:
    
    a) Install one V-24s or V-22 card and get it working 
    properly with Windows.  Follow the directions that came with 
    the interface. If you already have one working, go to the 
    next step.
    
    b) Install the second card in your computer.  It must be set 
    to different interrupts and I/O addresses than the first 
    one. Refer to the V-24s/V-22 manual for instructions on how 
    to do this.  Note: it may be difficult to find two 
    interrupts to install two V-24s/V-22 cards such that they 
    don't conflict with some other peripheral in your system.  
    As far as i/o addresses are concerned, we suggest you first 
    try putting the secondary V-24s at $310.  If you have an 
    Ethernet card at $310, try $230.
    
    c) Make sure that the first interface is still working 
    correctly.  If not, the second one may not be set to a 
    different irq or i/o address.  Also at this point you might 
    want to make sure that other peripherals in your system are 
    still working.  In particular, you might want to test any 
    FAX/modems, modems, serial ports and mice that you have.
    
    d) Now install the driver for the second V-24s.  This will 
    be similar to the way you installed the driver for the first 
    one, with the following important exception: when Windows 
    displays the "Install Driver" dialog box, instead of 
    entering "A:\" or "B:\", you must enter "A:\multi" or 
    "B:\multi".
    
    If you followed the above procedure correctly, you will be 
    presented with a list box containing a number of drivers. 
    Choose "Voyetra V-22 Midi card #2" or "Voyetra V-24s MIDI 
    Card #2" as necessary.
    
    When you are presented with the Setup box, select the 
    address and interrupt of the secondary card.
    
    Now everything should be running smoothly.  You will now 
    have to configure your MIDI software to access the new MIDI 
    Output ports you have just installed. For example, if you 
    installed a second V-24s, when you open the MIDI driver 
    configuration window in your Windows sequencer, you will now 
    be presented with 8 output ports, four inputs and two SMPTE 
    readers from your two V-24s cards, plus whatever other 
    drivers you may have installed!
    
    At this point, the Media Player and other multimedia 
    applications that use the MIDI Mapper won't send data to the 
    second V-24s.  This is probably how you will want to leave 
    it, since there aren't many uses for multiple ports with the 
    MIDI Mapper.  If you feel like experimenting, go ahead!  
    Just fire-up the MIDI Mapper applet from the Control Panel.
    Attached Files
    jUst plAythAtbEAt

  • #2
    ALSO: If you cannot find Voyetra hardware, then don't panic.. You can use one of the new MQ CLONES:
    Code:
    http://www.amibay.com/showthread.php?86063-Music-Quest-intelligent-mode-MPU-401-ISA-8bit-card-clones-%28New-Batch%29!!
    and even pair it with a SOUNDBLASTER, using the SB's Joystick port as a MIDI port with a standard GAME PORT to MIDI lead if You use the SEQ+ 4.11 installer that allows for 2 interfaces, or 1 interface and 1 sound card.

    OR, if you can find one, how about one of the Steinberg Midi cards? They work. for sure.

    In the day, i had a Roland SCC-1 and a V24s side by side, giving me MPU401 on the SCC-1 port. I later swapped this out for a V22sm that gave me 1 more port out. Since then i have stopped using the 'm' driver for the V22, i just select the plain V22s driver now, and i never lose port 6. Previously, when calling the MPU401 compatibility driver, port 6 used to fail all the time. Very annoying. I think the MPU driver is buggy :/
    jUst plAythAtbEAt

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    • #3
      Last word on the various drivers, and what works and what does now c/o Turtle beach who merged with voyetra below.. Although, pinch of salt with some of it, as it claims things like the V22 driver was BROKEN in 4.11 of SEQ+, which is not the case.

      Code:
      Sequencer Plus: MIDI interfaces - supported sound card and MIDI interfaces (Sequencer Plus 4.11)
      
      The following VAPI drivers are included as part of Sequencer Plus 4.11, except
      as noted.  "**" denotes "ganged" output, which means the external MIDI port
      AND the internal wavetable synth play together.
      
      Supported MIDI Interfaces (including Sound Cards):
      -------------------------------------------------- 
      
      AdLib 
        AdLib Gold, 2000                    vapiADG.com + sapiADG.com
        original card (no Midi !)           vapiNUL.com + sapiFM1.com  
      
      Advanced Gravis                       No Support  
      
      Analog Devices 
        Personal Sound System chipset       vapiPSS.com + sapiPSS.com
        includes DSP-16, ADSP-16, 16-DSP
      
      Antex
        Z1                                  vapiZ1.com + sapiZ1.com
      
      ASC / OmniLabs / DAK / BSR / V&V
        AudioMaster / MediaMaster           tapiASC.com
      
      ATI Technologies
        VGA Stereo FX, Stereo FX            vapiATI.com + sapiATI.com
        Stereo FX CD                        vapiATI2.com + sapiATI2.com
      
      Aztech Labs
        Sound Galaxy and others, incl. OEM  vapiSG.com +sapi!OPL.com
        Sound Galaxy NX-PRO                 vapiNXP.com + sapiNXP.com
        Business Audio  (no Midi)           vapiNUL.com + sapi!OPL.com
        (Aztech OEM's their cards to many other companies.)
      
      Cardinal Technologies
        Sound Studio, Sound Vision          vapiGSS1.com + sapiGSS1.com
        DSP-16 (Digital Sound Pro 16)       vapiPSS2.com + sapiPSS2.com
      
      CMS (Computer Music Supply)           Not supported (except for Mpu-401 model)
      
      Compaq Computers
        ESS chipset                         no Midi = vapiNUL, or  
                                            vapiESS.com + sapi!ESS.com
        
      Computer Peripherals
        ViVa Maestro 16                     vapiMPU.com + sapiVM16.com
        ViVa Maestro Pro                    vapiNXP.com + sapiNXP.com
      
      Covox
        Sound Master II & Midi Maestro      vapiSMA.com
      
      Creative Labs
        Sound Blaster (orig.& Pro)          vapiSB.com + sapiSB.com
        Sound Blaster 16 & "Vibra"          vapiSB16.com + sapi!SB3.com
        Awe-32, Awe-64, SB-32               vapiSB16.com +  sapiAWE.com
        SAPI driver for Emu wavetable       sapiAWE.com  (not incl. w/Seq+ install,
                                                          download instead) 
      
      Ensoniq
        Soundscape (Elite), Vivo            vapiMPU.com **
        Soundscape (original)               vapiSNDS.com 
      
      Gallant (CompuMedia)
        SC-4000                             vapiGAL4.com + sapiGAL4.com
        SC-5000                             vapiGAL5.com + sapiGAL5.com
        SC-6000                             vapiGAL6.com + sapiGAL6.com
      
      IBM
        MFC (Music Feature Card)            vapiMFC.com + sapiMFC.com 
      
      Jovian Logic
        Sonia                               vapiJOV.com + sapiJOV.com
      
      Key Electronics                       No Support (exc. Mpu-401 model)
      
      Korg USA
        modules & keyboards 
        w/IBM serial port, includes 05R/W   vapiTG.com
      
      Media Vision
        Jazz 16  
        (OEM'd to other companies)          vapiMPU.com
        Pro Audio Spectrum (orig.8 bit)     vapiMV.com + sapiMV.com
        Pro Audio Studio  & Fusion          vapiMPU.com + sapi!OPL.com
        Pro Audio Spectrum 16               vapiMV2.com + sapi!MV2.com
           note: PAS-16 was re-labelled by other OEM's, 
           such as Logitech SoundMan 16, MediaStar, ThunderMedia. AudioTech
      
      MidiMan                               No Support (exc. Mpu-401 model)
      
      MOTU (Mark of the Unicorn)            No Support for Seq+:    
      
      Music Quest   (now part of Opcode)
        PC Midi Card & MQX-16 (not "S")     vapiMPU.com
        MQX-16s  (SMPTE)                    vapi16S.com
        MQX-32m (2 outs + SMPTE)            vapiMQX.com
        Note/1   (parallel port)            vapiN1.com
        Note/1+  (parallel port, 2 outs)    vapiN1P.com
        2Port/SE                            vapiSE2.com (drv damaged in 4.11 
        (parallel port, 2 in/out, SMPTE)                 install, download instead) 
        8Port/SE                            NO SUPPORT (as Seq+ only allows 2 ins!) 
        (parallel port, 8 in/out, SMPTE)  
      
      Opcode 
        PC Translator (parallel port)       NO SUPPORT
        repackaged Music Quest products     see Music Quest list
      
      OPTi based sound cards
        OPTi 928                            vapi928.com + sapi!OPL
        OPTi 929                            vapi929.com + sapi!OPL
        all other models (924, 930, 931)    NO SUPPORT
      
      Orchid Technologies
        Sound Producer Pro                  vapiNXP.com + sapiNXP.com
        Sound Wave32, GameWave32            vapiPSS.com + sapiPSS.com
      
      PAiA Electronics
        PCM-68                              vapiPAIA.com
        PCM-68ex (2 in/2 out)               vapiPAI2.com
      
      Packard Bell
        Aztech sound cards                  vapiSG.com + sapi!OPL.com
        Reveal sound cards                  vapiMPU.com + sapi!OPL.com
      
      Reveal
        most cards                          vapiMPU.com + 
        (incl. Ensoniq, Aztech & AMD)  
        other Aztech models                 vapiNXP.com or vapiSG.com + sapi!OPL.com
      
      Roland Corp.
        MPU-401 / LAPC-1                    vapiMPU.com
        PCMCIA card                         vapiMPU.com 
        RAP-10                              vapiRAPT.com
        SC-7, SC-55 Mk.II, SC-88            vapiRSM.com 
          (and serial port sound modules)
      
      (Sierra) Aria chipset cards           vapiMPU.com + sapiaria.com
        includes: ASL "Cyber Audio", 
        Addtech "Sound 2000", Zoltrix "Tess"
      
      Tandy Corp.
        Sensation                           vapiMMA.com + sapiOPL3
      
      Turtle Beach Systems
        Multisound (Classic & Monterey)     vapiTBMS.com
        Multisound Pinnacle                 vapiMPU.com **
        Malibu                              vapiMPU.com **
        Maui                                vapiMPU.com (initialized in DOS first)
        Monte Carlo 928                     vapi928.com + sapi!opl.com
        Monte Carlo 929, Opti 929           vapi929.com + sapi!opl.com
        PCI cards (Daytona, Montego)        NO SUPPORT
        WaveFront synth cards               (SetupSnd DOS init first) vapiMPU.com **
        
       (Aside from Multisound Classic, we do not support these cards in Sequencer 
        Plus- as some users have been able to initialize the cards in their systems 
        in DOS properly for use with the vapiMPU driver- which will only work on 
        the lower IRQ's on these cards.)
      
      Voyetra Technologies
        OP-4001                             vapiMPU.com
        V-22 (2 in, 2 out)                  vapi22.com  (driver damaged in 4.11 
                                                         install, download instead)
        V-24s (2 in, 4 out, SMPTE)          vapi24s.com
        V-4000, V-4001                      vapiMPU.com
        VP-11 (parallel port)               vapiVP.11.com
      
      Yamaha 
        C1 Music Computer                   Yamaha CAPI driver 1.08 
        (2 in, 8 out, SMPTE)  
        TG-100, MU-80, "Hello Music"        vapiTG.com
        (& other IBM serial port modules)
      
      Notes: 
      
      Devices designed later than 1994 are unlikely to work, unless the device is 
      internal and the MIDI port is MPU-401-compatible in DOS. 
      
      FM synthesizer sound cards will generically work with Sapi!OPL ("SuperSapi"),
      SapiOPL3 (for the 4 op Yamaha chip) and SapiFM1 (for the older 2 op).  Voyetra
      often labeled the FM "SAPI" drivers for their respective manufacturers, but
      all except ESS use the actual Yamaha FM chipset.  (FM emulation should work
      with the typical Yamaha OPL driver in most cases.)
      
      Wavetable Synthesis sound cards appearing after this time may have the Synth
      chip "ganged" with the MPU-401-style MIDI port.  These cards include Ensoniq &
      Roland, but NOT Creative AWE- or SB- series.  Sometimes MIDI Headers would be
      accessed in this manner (which would include the Creative cards just
      mentioned).
      
      VAPI MIDI drivers generally search for the IRQ, excepting the VapiMPU.com
      driver- which searches the lower IRQ's.  Sometimes a driver can be loaded on
      an upper IRQ with the /irq:xx command line, such as 
      
        VAPIMPU /IRQ:12 /addr:330
      
      however, there are often modern cards that will not work with our drivers on
      an upper IRQ, and therefore it would be advised that you alter the IRQ to be
      below 9.  (For those who don't know, IRQ 2 = IRQ 9 in the IBM-compatible PC
      world.)
      jUst plAythAtbEAt

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      • #4
        Found a nice fat driver pack - this has most drivers referred to above - you will need to edit your DRIVER.BAT to point to the ones that the VINSTALL fails to pick up on..
        Attached Files
        jUst plAythAtbEAt

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        • #5
          More on this:

          The Music Quest Note/1+ (parallel port, 2 outs) interface that uses the vapiN1P.com driver DOES NOT HAVE 2 INDIVIDUAL PORTS OUT - it just has clones of the same shit on each, and annoyingly, voyetra sequencer+ will allow you to select PORT 1 or 2, yet whatever happens on tracks sent to these ports, will appear on BOTH ports. So. Fu*k that. No better then a VP11. Maybe this is a broken driver? does not say it is. I cannot find any other driver for it, so. moving on.

          I now have to build a second desktop for live use.

          Using a GX1 again, disable everything in the Bios ACPI and ports related, and then go with the Vinstall after building a Fat16 partition with the dos 6.22 installer.

          I want to use a V22 and a Steinberg Midi PC-1 MPU401 compatible card, to get 3 outs.

          The only combination that will run smoothly is this:

          CARD 1 (MPU401) - Address: 230H IRQ7
          CARD 2 (Voyetra V22) - Address: 330H IRQ3

          In Vinstall, choose the V22 as your SECOND card, and leave the Address as stock (330). Then choose the MPU401 compatible as the Main card, making sure to change the stock base address to 230. The IRQs suggested work as long as you have all the serial ports, printerport and all that junk disabled in the Bios.

          I think You can swap these around if You like, but i know the above works on a BX (Slot 1) motherboard - that is a P2 or P3, in slot form. I run 600mhz P3 in the studio, and 500mhz P3 on the new machine.

          IF you install a combination of cards - like 2 MPU or 2 Voyetra, and you get lockups (usually bar 4, or when you exit), or you see garbage on any of the midi ports after the main page appears, then you have a conflict with Your base addresses. If you have a problem with your IRQ, then the driver loader will warn you. Wierd problems are due to base address conflicts.

          a good way to test your setup is to insert a bar (press INSERT), edit it (hit E) add a note (hit INSERT again!) and then LOOP the bar. enabling the metronome (F2) - if you hear a glitch on the metronome on the downbeats, then you will suffer lockups and instability. Any .SNG you load will freeze on bar 4.

          There are clones of the MPU being made again - the PCMIDI V010 and these DO NOT allow you to set the base address - they default to the MPU spec of 330H, so you MIGHT be able to use 1 of these alongside a voyetra card, or the Steinberg.

          There is very little out there about the V22 settings and the Steinberg PC-1, so i attach here the jumper and dipswitch settings for both.. ENJOY
          Attached Files
          Last edited by playthatbeat; Thu 23-02-2017, 9:21 AM.
          jUst plAythAtbEAt

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          • #6
            So, the GX1 has been looping 64 tracks packed with midi spread over the 3 ports for 48 hours, and it's very happy.

            I moved the voyetra install and .SNG files from the harddrive over to a CF card, on a cheapo IDE/PATA CF card adaptor, after setting up the CF card as a FAT16 partition using the good old dos 6.22 installer, making the original harddrive a slave. I plan to work and run from this CF, with the harddrive as a backup if shit breaks. Wrote a couple of .BAT files so i can clone my work folder from CF to HDD when i change something.

            Really annoyed that there appears to be no way to run multiple MIDI ports in DOS with voyetra on a Laptop. Thought of everything i could to make it happen, and it's a disaster. All the laptops i have access to do NOT have a Joystick/Game port, or an onboard Soundblaster chipset - this would allow me to run a VP11 and a joystickport midi adaptor, by installing soundblaster as music hardware and the VP11 in Vinstall. That would rock. Still, only 2 ports, but better then 1, right?

            The other option is to maybe have a laptop with 2 Printer ports? then run the Music Quest and the VP11? should work in theory.

            Did i mention i had a Yamaha C1 music computer in the late 90's? Was the very first thing i bought on eBay, right when it first started. Fu*ker arrived with a smashed LCD, so i managed to track down an IBM CGA monitor, and the setup worked very well, until it was plugged in to 220V without a stepdown transformer, totally killing it. The C1 is (AFAIK) the only proper music laptop ever. 2 midi IN, 8 Midi out, SMPTE, the lot. OK, it was a 286, and if You had a harddrive, it was 20MB. Mine was floppy only, so i had it running with a ZIP drive, and a boot floppy to mount the parallel port ZIP, so it was very workable actually.

            Yes, i search eBay every week as part of my routine for a C1, and they NEVER EVER come up. EVER. EVEREVEREVER. FML.

            AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANYWAY, back to horrible desktop land, where 3 ports are super solid, and i even have MPU compatibility on Port 1, so can has patch editor action for the Voyerta 8 synth, er, that is if Pete ever sends it back to me.
            jUst plAythAtbEAt

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            • #7
              As an addition to this, i remembered we had a Yamaha TG100 for a while, and it was able to run in HOST mode, using the serial port on a PC to drive it. I do not remember if the data sent to play it was cloned or THRU to the MIDI OUT of the TG100, but it WAS possible to play the TG100 via RS232 http://www.houseofsynth.com/hos-down...nce-Manual.pdf will show the wire diagram for the PC2 connection - basically a 9pin Dsub RS232 to minidin - that would mean you could go with a VP11 on the printerport (etc.) and an RS232 device such as the TG100 on the serial, making technically 32 channels.. I suspect there are a few of these style devices, aimed at 'gamers' - read up here: http://www.houseofsynth.com/yamaha-t...x-t3-awm-synth
              jUst plAythAtbEAt

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              • #8
                oldschooldaw.com

                whats up guys
                not sure if u already seen the pages i have postd on my site
                you need to have v4.11 of seq+ gold plus which you can grab on my page here: http://www.oldschooldaw.com/forums/index.php?topic=2744
                i have alot of other notes re: setting up multi-configs aswell

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                • #9
                  most in/out on laptop in voyetra sequencer plus gold

                  Originally posted by playthatbeat View Post
                  Really annoyed that there appears to be no way to run multiple MIDI ports in DOS with voyetra on a Laptop. Thought of everything i could to make it happen, and it's a disaster. All the laptops i have access to do NOT have a Joystick/Game port, or an onboard Soundblaster chipset - this would allow me to run a VP11 and a joystickport midi adaptor, by installing soundblaster as music hardware and the VP11 in Vinstall. That would rock. Still, only 2 ports, but better then 1, right?
                  obviously this is not the laptop you should be using... to have more than one midi inputs/outputs on a laptop
                  u will probably want to get one of the interfaces i have which is a MusicQuest 2port/SE which has 2 ins + 2 outs
                  because it has a vapi driver u can use it as your primary interface (connected to a printer port of course)
                  what u should do after that is get a midi thru box and or set up daisy chain midi network to all your sound modules/keyboards
                  if you could find the right laptop that has a supported built in audio chip with gameport, u could use it aswell as the
                  2port/SE to get a total of 32in/48out (2in/3out)

                  i could help u figure out a laptop
                  the right fit would probably be somewhere between either a high-end 486 or pentium II (produced sometime between 1994-1998)
                  however if you really desire the most ins + outs possible u are going to want to use a 286/386/486 computer with ISA slots
                  because most of the hardware supported by the app are ISA technology...
                  i would go personally for a pentium II slot 1 motherboard with a pII 233/266/300 mhz cpu but it might be best to get a 100% ISA/VLB
                  motherboard instead of one with PCI slots.. any 486 or early pentium with lots of ISA slots would be perfect.
                  Last edited by supernova777; Sat 04-03-2017, 11:50 PM.

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                  • #10
                    @supernova777 - Yes, 100% agree there - all solid thinking.. Sadly the Music Quest i found is just a gimmick, and not really 2 port, which is a shame. I thought we had it sussed with that

                    I remember seeing a DELL from the early pentium era - this had a rollorball, not a mousepad, and it's docking station/external soundcard would be a good paring with a parallel device ...

                    So, currently working away with the 3 ports on the GX-1.. Had a disaster yesterday - random reboot during use, turned out to be a bad RAM stick. So, now down to only 256mb of ram - no big deal for DOS, but i wanted linux dualboot for safety.. This is now a problem. Going back to Mandriva 2010.1 for i586 LXDE here: https://archive.org/details/mandriva-2010.1_release i find it will ONLY boot to a gui with: Xorg Vesa generic driver, 16bit colour and 800x600 res. set this up at commandline using the "MCC", and make sure you set it to NOT BOOT TO GUI AT BOOT in install else it will boot-loop when X tries to run.

                    Also now running a IDE to SD adaptor now as a drive and backing up to it all the time.. Using the SD as the bootdrive is SLOW..
                    jUst plAythAtbEAt

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                    • #11
                      So next friday we take the SEQ+, E4, M1000, Quazar, TR909, TT303 & SC88 out to play live. All will be mixed with snapshots on an 01v, then shoved through an Ultramiser Pro.

                      Also going to run Arkaos for the visuals with midi triggers i appended to all the .SNG files for the tracks we are to do.

                      Arkaos is so crap (it's an ancient version) that it only works in OMNI ON mode, so using my licence of Bohm's Midi Translator Pro to only allow NOTE ON NOTE OFF and a single controller through. This creates logjam for the visuals, as no 2 events of the same nature can be filtered at the same instant by MTP. Most annoying, leading to some fairly smart note-lengths and start times for the visuals. BUT, the result is very good, for what it is

                      I was asked this week why i don't just use nTrack to play the sequences (exported from Seq+ as .MID and imported to nTrack) with one of the many cheap multiport Midi interfaces on the pile.. The answer: for the same reason i want to run the hardware live as it was in 1992.

                      Ideally, if this was to become a 'thing' (it will not, i assure you) i'd be using that software version of the Emulator - the Emulator X, on a laptop, and using nTrack and some modern multiport thing on another, and bringing a single rackbag. I'd probably sample the 909 as well, as all the subtle changes to the instruments on it i had noted for each track are pointless once you start layering pads and piano stabs on top.. Once again, overkill, but all part of this stupid MUST BE AS WAS IN 1992 crap.

                      I'll record the set, of coarse, and try to get as much video and timelapse as i can, and we will see if it's been worth all this messing...
                      jUst plAythAtbEAt

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                      • #12
                        This is the fuc*er You want for gigging - OK, so the GP screen will eventually blow up in your face, killing you, and the hard drive is likely NOT IDE, but i don't care, i want one. Now.

                        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrJgjmAPzmE
                        jUst plAythAtbEAt

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                        • #13
                          Aha... so, it looks like Toshiba flogged the crap out of this range.. the 3200 is SUCH a winrar, even today, that is has a dedicated community: http://omolini.steptail.com/t3200sx/ and it's clear that the way forward is the 3200SX - this has a fantastical 386sx processor - which will run in 32bit mode for Windows 98se, but without a maths co-pro from what i member.. Stock machine was 1mb of ram, and the best bit - it will run IDE hard drives, which means you can run a CF card/IDE chinese wonderwin in it, or even an SD card to IDE adaptor!!! The 2 IDE expansion slots are still there, so overall, this beast can pwn the Legandary Yamaha C1, as long as you have a pair of V24s.. Look, in fairness, you can stuff it with a pair of V22, or a musicquest clone and an ISA soundblaster and win.. Personally, i think this laddie, with a Roland SCC-1 and a v22s, or maybe an SB 2.0 (so can has wolfenstein or Sword of Destiny) would be the desert-island PC. Always have the option of windows 98se in there too if You want to play at that..

                          Now then. Where can has T3200/SX?
                          jUst plAythAtbEAt

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by playthatbeat View Post
                            @supernova777 - Yes, 100% agree there - all solid thinking.. Sadly the Music Quest i found is just a gimmick, and not really 2 port, which is a shame.
                            im in the same boat exactly with my MQX-32M, i thought i would have seperate midi outputs but i dont think it works..
                            it might work in cakewalk 3/4/5 for DOS tho.. but i think its the same as you described here, the ports are the same and not unique when used with Voyetra Sequencer Plus. (because of the driver.. or they decided to not allow it to boost the sales of their own voyetra cards)

                            they made their own cards the only cards that have both Secondary (sapi) + Primary (Vapi) so that made the voyetra hardware indispensible to those of us trying to get more unique channels + ports out from the box...

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                            • #15
                              I have been picking up anything using parallel port or ISA recently, and it does appear there was a 'fad' of having 2 cloned ports out on devices for a while.. So, there was no deception intended, it really was supposed to be a selling point that you had 2 ports doing the same thing :/ annoying..

                              Meanwhile, i continue to use my Seq+ and v24/v22 combo in dos 6.22 every week, and it never skips a beat. got to love that!

                              recently been slaving it all from nTrack - i dump SMPTE to nTrack from the V24s, then use it to run the Seq+, while availing of nTracks audio recording features - i pipe the sound to my o2r using ADAT from the EMU 1212 card, using forced Vista drivers in Windows 7 32bit. It is not possible to run the EMU card (non PCIe) in Windows 64bit Anything, as the Vista drivers will not work without disabling driver certification at every boottime.
                              jUst plAythAtbEAt

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